From: "Cheryle Merkley" To: Sent: Friday, March 07, 2003 8:26 AM Subject: [NYALBANY] Re: [Rensselaer] Winne house built c. 1730 discoveredinside another house (Albany Co., NY) > I am a Winne descendant and have been to the Pieter Winne house on Creble road when they were doing an archaelogical dig there a couple of summers ago. > The Vloman kill is said to be named for the first emigrant Winne, Pieter 1, similar to how the Normans kill was named, since Pieter Winne 1 was Flemish and owned a saw mill in the 1670's or 1680's (?) on this stream (on land he rented from the Van Rensselaer's). His youngest son, Daniel 1, must have inherited the property when Pieter 1 died (along with property in Cedar Hill, along the Hudson, where the Winne dock was located in the 1800's) and Daniel's 1 son, Pieter 2, seems to have built a house there - the first house on the left on Creble Road where they had the dig. Now, another house shows up in the same area, built by a Daniel Winne c. 1730. The only Daniel that I know of that could have built a house in the area would be Pieter's 2 son, Daniel 2, who married Jannetje De Foreest in 1744 and probably built his house around then. This property might have been part of the original parcel that Daniel 1 inherited. > One of Daniel's 1 other sons, Frans, married Agnietje Van Wie and had a farm that is marked by a roadside marker as "Winne farm" on Van Wie point, near Cedar Hill. It looks like the Winne's were quite spread out in the Bethlehem area. > > There is also a Winne gravesite across Creble Road from the Pieter 2 Winne house, up on the hill. I wonder if there might not be a gravesite at the Daniel 2 Winne house also, or any sign of an old saw mill. I'd love to contact the person you talked to at the museum. What is his name? > > >>> Cliff Lamere 03/07/03 12:39AM >>> > Grit, > > On 9W, about a hundred yards south of the church is a dip where the road goes over the Vloman Kill. There is a blinking light there. Take a right and you are on Creble Rd. This is a new name, or else one that was never used years ago when I lived nearby. About 100 yard up on the left, some old homes begin. 20 years ago, several of them were in rather poor shape. I'll be interested to find out which one is the 1730 house. > > A fellow from the NYS Museum wrote me privately to say, "Another Winne house off Creble Road adjacent to the Vlomankill (shown as "Old Peter Winne on the Bleecker map of 1767) is currently under restoration by a private owner and can be easily seen from Creble Road near Route 9W. The whole valley of the Vlomankill seems to have been inhabited by Winnes early on." > > The Vloman Kill flows not far behind the row of houses. > > Cliff